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New York Giants Looking to Sign Victor Cruz Long-Term Over the Next 7-10 Days

May 7th, 2013 at 4:30 PM
By Dan Benton

'Victor Cruz' photo (c) 2011, scott mecum - license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ Could the Victor Cruz contract situation finally be coming to an end? Mere hours after New York Giants co-owner John Mara said he was "confident" the two sides would come to an agreement, Pro Football Talk is reporting that Big Blue will put the pedal to the metal in hopes of having a long-term agreement signed sometime over the next 7-10 days.

It’s unclear why the next week or so is regarded as important, since there are no deadlines or other milestones that compel an agreement by May 17. Presumably, the Giants and Cruz would like to have the player on the field for the bulk of the Organized Team Activities that cap the offseason program.

With the deadline for signing restricted free agents (RFA) to an offer sheet having come and gone, Cruz's options have been whittled down to a well know and well documented three:

  • Sign his one-year tender and play for a $2.879 million salary in 2013.
  • Sign the long-term deal the Giants have reportedly offered him, which is close to $8 million annually.
  • Refuse to sign his tender or long-term deal and theoretically "holdout."

Because Cruz is technically a free agent, the term "holdout" doesn't exactly explain his latter most option. He could flat-out refuse to sign anything or show up to OTAs, mini-camps, training camps and even some regular season games without the risk of being fined or penalized. However, if Cruz remains unsigned after June 17th, the Giants could then reduce his tender amount to 110% of his 2012 salary or what would amount to the three-year veteran minimum: $630,000.

As of week 10, Cruz could sign his tender offer for a reduced amount of $1.19 million and become an unrestricted free agent (UFA) in 2014. If he waits so much as one more day beyond that, he would lose an accrued season and once again become a restricted free agent in 2014.

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25 Responses to “New York Giants Looking to Sign Victor Cruz Long-Term Over the Next 7-10 Days”

  1.  GOAT56 says:

    Repost:

    Besides Dansby, I don’t think there are any definite answers at LB on the free agent market. If JR signs Curry it means they see something because it’s a tryout. I don’t know if Curry is any good but in the best case he has more upside than 95% of the free agent LBs available. Even if we added Curry we only have 9 LBs according to my count. If it’s not Curry I think we still add another LB because I remember always carrying 9 or 10 LBs on the roster at this point of the offseason. By now the rookie free agent LB types with NFL talent are pretty much gone.

  2.  fanfor55years says:

    I think Giants fans have become a bit too much in love with the “unknown player” who will jump out of the woodwork during camp simply because we had the incredible good fortune to have signed Victor Cruz as an UDFA. Some want to add Stevie Brown to that group of unknowns but, frankly, he had been in the league for a number of years and didn’t spring from nowhere. He didn’t fit the Patriots’ scheme, but that didn’t mean he couldn’t play.

    Who else qualifies for this category? Don’t say Will Hill. He was known by those who closely followed his career to have immense talent if he ever got his head together. Forget Ballard. Followers of the Big Ten knew he could block and had excellent hands. The only others I can think of who just might fit the description are Pascoe and Ojomo, two players brought in almost as afterthoughts who proved worthwhile.

    While there ARE a very few players who “shock the world” and emerge from obscurity, there are really not many “undiscovered” gems who slip through the scouts’ notice and then become tremendously valuable players through wowing everyone at camp. It happens, but not all that often. And whether the Giants have Curry in camp or not, if there are a couple of players who jump out at everyone it will be obvious. Is it really likely that attention paid to Curry would dilute the attention paid to Muasau? I don’t think so. Will the coaches and pro personnel staff (yes, they, too, watch the preseason quite carefully and assess what the team has) miss a Victor Cruz? Not likely. We had 90 players in camp last season and the same very few full-pad practices, yet somehow the team noticed Ojomo, Hill, Brown, Muasau, Broha and Donnell. I don”t think any veteran attending camp with a long shot to make the team will prevent any really good youngster from being “discovered”.

    If Curry can pass the physical why not give him a shot? Better that than guaranteeing money to Urlacher when he would only be good for leadership and as a 2-down backer. Dansby is intriguing but I think he’ll refuse to play for veteran minimum and that’s really what we’ll be looking to pay. n fact, that probably rules out Urlacher, Dansby and Smith. And there’s no one except Smith and Dansby worth even looking at other than the “great-athlete-hasn’t-a-clue” type that might be what they get in Curry and hope they catch lightning in a bottle as the way to play the position suddenly clicks for him.

  3.  fanfor55years says:

    So stubbornness is probably going to get Cruz an extra million or so per year and about $5-6 million in additional guaranteed dollars, and will set Nicks up for a $10MM per annum, $25-30MM guaranteed, deal. And should motivate Randle to immediately pick up his game so when 2016 rolls around it’s his turn for the big bucks as one of the Big Two takes his talents elsewhere because Reese won’t pay the going rate for a star receiver once he has left his prime.

  4.  giankees says:

    It seems like some people fall in love with guys cox or jeremy wright even though they don’t show anything out of the ordinary in college but hate the idea of a re-tread like curry for a chance yo earn a spot? Look at curry in college he looks like superman.reese could find 20 jeremy wrghts if he sees value in a cuery try out we are gonna have to trust it. Kickin the tires on some of these type players has to be way more succesful than udfa’s where in 10 you are lucky if 1 stays on your team unless there are reasons like in will hill with a sketcht past.

    •  Krow says:

      Might be the funniest typo ever there in that first line.

    •  GOAT56 says:

      I thing you have to use both ways. We have been very successful with undrafted UFAs Cruz, Ojomo, Ballad, Herzlich, Payinger, Hynopski, Cordle are just recent players that have helped. But there’s also Brown, Pascoe, Boothe, Hill, Witherspoon, Coe as young vets that fell through the cracks. The point is both ways work and we should use both ways. And every way we can to acquire talent that can help this football team. None of these ways including the Curry model much like Patterson or the Andrews brothers will also work. There’s no one right way. The only question is a player like Curry worth the roster spot he’s occupying over the next player you would replace him with.

  5.  Dirt says:

    If Pugh turns out to be a journeyman along the Giants’ line, jack-of-all-trades but master of none, many (already have) willl consider him a bust as a first round pick.

    Kiwanuka still hasn’t established himself at a set position after all these years, never registered more than eight sacks in a season as a DE, but as a first round pick he’s a valuable asset as a journeyman among the Giants’ front seven.

    I am not casting an opinion on either player here, but the difference in opinion on these two, one who HAS failed to lock it down and one who HASN’T even had a chance to suit up is interesting.

    •  Krow says:

      I think the situations make the difference. Kiwi competes for time on what was for many years one of the top DLs in football. That can’t be said for Pugh and our OL.

      •  GOAT56 says:

        Pugh hasn’t played a down yet and we don’t know the future. Our OL this year and going forward could be elite. He didn’t say Diehl he said Pugh.

    •  fanfor55years says:

      I know you aren’t directing that at me, but you should recognize that Kiwi has been behind Pro Bowl-quality players who prevented him from claiming a spot at DE, while Pugh will not have great players standing in his way. So he HAS to grab a starting job somewhere along the line by next season or be legitimately thought of as a disappointment. I happen to think there’s almost zero chance that will be the case. I think the kid will be a very good option at guard and may be one at tackle or center as well. One way or the other, he’s going to be one of the anchors of the offensive line. He’d better be.

      •  GOAT56 says:

        I don’t think actually starting was his point. It’s more if Pugh became a better Boothe that always started but at different positions. Above average but not a star he wouldn’t consider Pugh a bust. At least that’s my interpretation.

      •  Dirt says:

        I agree with you. I’m just talking more about a large sample of comments I’ve observed that may or may not be from the same set of people. But there’s certainly a set of folks who think the Pugh pick was bad, and Kiwi is untouchable.

        •  Dirt says:

          Actually I disagree a bit: DEs are in a rotation, OL play ever snap. Kiwi could have been an impact DE. JPP was with Tuck and Osi.

  6.  Dirt says:

    But if I may cast an opinion, it’s that Kiwanuka is the biggest bust pick for the Giants during the Eli Manning Era. Which is really good news because Kiwanuka is a fine football player.

    What do we know about the Giants board? They absolutely (unless you’re completely ignorant) factor need into their value rankings at the top of their board for their first pick. Eli? Need. Webster? Need. Kiwanuka? Need. Ross? Need. Phillips? Need. Nicks? Need. Wilson? Need. Pugh? Need.

    Wait, whoa, JPP? Unless they weny against 8 of 9 years of strategy to get a future Hall of Famer (yet didn’t bother to try to trade up for him, which negates that), JPP had a need component. And why would their be a need with Tuck and Osi and Kiwi, who was a 1st round pick four years earlier?

    Why would they keep moving Kiwi around?

    Because his performance at DE never lived up to first round expectations.

    Again, he’s a fine player. Wonderful to have him on the team, given his versatility. But the other 3 guys drafted first in the Eli Manning era prior to 2008 were starters on two championship teams. Kiwi was not at his drafted position (nor would he have started at all probably in 2007 if he was healthy.)

    Given how high he was selected, Kiwi (a starting player) is the biggest bust of the Eli Manning era. Which means our front office is awesome because their busts are starters.

    Like Pugh will most definitely be.

    •  Dirt says:

      Disclaimer: 90% of the inspiration of this post was to get Simon going, after seeing his late night tirade this morning haha

  7.  norm says:

    It’s not so much a question of my being a “bit too much in love with the ‘unknown player’ who will jump out of the woodwork” as it is my rank skepticism of players of Curry’s ilk.

    While the historical success rate of turning “unknown players” into productive pros may be pitiably small, my guess is that the probabilities are not all that much lower than that of effecting a successful rehabilitation of another team’s colossal first round bust.

    Of course, it’s hard not to fall for the undeniable appeal of the former high draft pick who everyone and his brother once lusted after coming out of college. Every smart football guy likes to believe that he and he alone possesses the key needed to release the talent that lies locked up inside. Which is why guys like Aaron Curry and Glenn Dorsey keep on making the rounds. But the sad fact is that those “reclamation projects” rarely have happy endings for anyone but the agents of the players in question.

    At least the “unknown” – longshot tho’ he may be – has the allure of the tabula rasa. He comes without the baggage of a large sample size of really dreadful play at the NFL level. Moreover, he had to have flashed something of significance at some point to warrant an invitation to an NFL camp. Which is not to say that the odds of their succeeding at the NFL level are anything but small. However, unlike the Aaron Currys of the world, they have not yet demonstrated their chronic inability to perform competently in the NFL. The “unknown’s” day of reckoning may come soon enough but until that day arrives, I’d rather take my chances with one of them than with the former first round pick who has already shown that he, too, should have been nothing more than a UDFA himself.

    •  Dirt says:

      I openly admit to not watching much Raiders or Seahawks football prior to last year, so forgive my ignorance here, but didn’t he have like 100+ tackles last year? Have Giants linebackers achieved that as a unit in the last couple of years?

      I’m just curious why this guy has been deemed to have busted, not recall ever seeing him play.

      •  GOAT56 says:

        He’s the #4 pick and about to be on his 3rd team in 2 years. He wasn’t the great player expected. However, I think he wasn’t given the same chance a normal #4 pick gets. In Seattle, his was picked before the Pete Carroll regime so he didn’t get much rope and was traded. Same thing with Oakland as the new GM came in for 2012 and once injuries took place the new regime had no problem getting rid of Curry. That also reflects playing in a lot of different systems. He certainly a bust to an extent because a top 5 LB should be a near HOFer.

  8.  G-MenFan says:

    Dear God,

    Let the Giants work as hard when it counts as some of these guys type when it doesn’t.

    Amen.

    •  norm says:

      Dear G-Men Fan,

      Great as my powers may be, even I can’t ensure that kind of effort on the part of the Giants.

      I might, however, be able to influence Dan Benton into shutting down a website that has provided a fertile ground for all that unnecessary typing.

      Regards,
      God

  9.  jfunk says:

    I’m sorry, but that was a sweet put back by Iman.

    I’ve tried K101, but it’s a ghost town.

  10.  Liberal Giant says:

    Cruz has painted himself in a corner. He needs to sign before he does something stupid like drive a car 80 miles an hour into a tree. The Giants have made a fair and final offer. He has nowhere to go. Wy would he risk his career for 2.89 million when he can get four times that guaranteed?

    •  jfunk says:

      Well he’s a liberal at heart. He feels he should get what he wants rather than what is logistically reasonable.

    •  Krow says:

      Ego. And besides, there’s no reason to assume he’s bright.

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