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New York Giants Tuesday Morning Story Lines: Win and in, but Elimination Also Possible

December 18th, 2012 at 11:56 AM
By Simon Garron-Caine

'Joe Flacco' photo (c) 2009, Keith Allison - license: The New York Giants may still control their own fate as a victory over Joe Flacco, Ray Rice and the Baltimore Ravens and a win the following week over the Philadelphia Eagles guarantees a playoff berth…but a loss this week could also result in the Giants being eliminated from playoff contention.

Let's take a look at that and what else is going on as the Giants gear up for a must-win game.

The Sword Cuts Both Ways

Over at the Post, they're letting us know that the Giants can be eliminated this week if they lose to Baltimore, and watch the Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins and the Seattle Seahawks all win.

Of course, a win this weekend and the following week versus the Philadelphia Eagles and the Giants are guaranteed at least a wild card. Dan Graziano of lays out the entire NFC East playoff scenario, but most importantly, says the Giants need to stop leaning on the past if they are going to do anything. Great read there.

Redskins on the rise

Over at the New York Daily News, Hank Gola says there are a few teams in the NFC that you don't want to play right now…and the New York Football Giants are not one of them.

You know who is? Robert Griffin III and the Washington Redskins. Along with the Russell Wilson and the Seahawks.

Part of us thinks they may be right about the Giants looking up at the Redskins…but part of us thinks this is the exact kind of talk Big Blue needs to hear.

Andre Brown has big dreams

Brown is still holding out hope that he can make a return for Big Blue. One problem: he can't return until the Super Bowl.

The News' Ebenezer Samuel has the great quote from Brown: "I was just like, ‘Hey, I want to ******* play,’” Brown said. “That’s it. Get me there, and I’ll take care of the rest."

All of these story lines have one thing in common: the Giants can up or down, they might be looking up at the Redskins and that just might be a fad, and Andre Brown may or may not get to play in the Super Bowl.

The Giants have two games to show which way they're going.


Tags: Andre Brown, Baltimore Ravens, Dallas Cowboys, Football, New York, New York Giants, NFC, NFC East, NFL, Philadelphia Eagles, Ray Rice, Robert Griffin III, Seattle Seahawks, Super Bowl, Washington Redskins

11 Responses to “New York Giants Tuesday Morning Story Lines: Win and in, but Elimination Also Possible”

  1.  Valid says:

    I can’t wait for the blowout win this weekend just to see everyone jump back on the bandwagon Monday morning.

  2.  GOAT56 says:


    GOAT56 says:
    December 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM
    I’m complete agreement with Jfunk. I said early this year that now that we have seen Eli being great game in, game out for one season I expect that every season, every game. Of course there will always be a subpar game here and there. But this year Eli really hasn’t played to the level our football team was designed to succed at. If Eli was playing at last year’s level we woul be 11-3 (10-4 at worse) because overall the other parts of the team are better. While we are not as good as WR I think it’s a bit overblown. MM missed quite a few games last year and Nicks still missed a few and was banged up for another couple as well. Bennett is better than Ballard. The OL is better. And the RBs have been better. The DL might be worse be overall to this point I think the defense has been better than last year. The main difference is Eli. We need the great Eli. Or at least the very good version. He’s made too many horrible decisions for a QB so good. It’s time for him to step up. In a win or go home game he has to outplay Flacco.

    I’m not down on Eli. I just respect what he’s done enough the last few seasons that I rightly expect much more from him. The protection has been good enough. Eli is just making bad decisions and bad throws. With his back agianst the wall I would be very surprised if the Eli we know and love didn’t show up Sunday.

    James Stoll says:
    December 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM
    Eli’s played mostly badly for 14 weeks. Seaon long slump! Can he play better? Sure. Will he? Doubtful. Next year.

    •  GOAT56 says:

      I don’t agree. I think Eli has play well many times year. The difference from last year is that Eli at his best is just playing well and not great. And at his worst instead of playing ok like last year he’s playing badly. Basically, his ceiling and floor for play have both been lower.

      But I think we have a better all around team so Eli playing well will enable to beat nearly everyone if not everyone. While i would love to see the great Eli, that’s not needed. And maybe the great Eli was helped by 3 top WRs. But we have enough weapons for Eli to at least play well.

  3.  GOAT56 says:


    While we as fans all want to win and are disappointed with losses are not playing up to our potential I do think some take for granted how hard it is to win in the NFL. Add to that the natural let down from winning the year before. We have some spots that can use upgrades but our issues to me have little to do with being talented enough. It might be simply we need to come into the year hunting and not the hunted. This team is not the 2009 version that was out of bullets. I think this team is at a cross roads of between 2010 and 2011. The team can go either way.

    This game is very similar to the Packers game from 2010. We lost a bad game the week before but still held our playoff fate in our hands. I think in 2010 that Philly game broke us. The Atlanta game while a horrible loss isn’t in the same zip code in bad losses with the 2010 Philly game. We should be able to respond from this loss without the carryover we clearly had in 2010. But this is no easy game. While Bmore is struggled greatly lately this is a proud franchise much like us. We have to expect their best shot. And if we get that we have to play well to win.

    I think given we still control our way into the playoffs too much focus is on what went wrong. We don’t know if anything went wrong yet. There will be plenty of time to analyze that we our season is actually over. Now I think everything needs to be focused on the ravens.

  4.  James Stoll says:

    Very unlikely the giants bounce back this week. Season long poor play from Eli, tuck, osi. Key injuries to nicks KP Prince.
    DTs horrid all season.
    O-Line horrid and getting worse not better.
    Tynes erratic.
    No comebacks since the first askins game week 7.
    We are a weak front running team this year who can’t win on the road (3-4)
    If we don’t grab a 2 score lead early we’ll fall to the Ravens by 30+
    still possible but less likely by the minute

  5.  Valid says:

    +1 on your post, GOAT.

    In this gloom and doom site that is Giants 101, people seem to forget that all the team needs to do is win its last two games and they’re in. They also forget that this Giants team has blown out the likes of the 49ers, Packers, and Saints this year and only focus on the bad loss against Atlanta. If I came into this season telling everyone that the Giants would go 3-1 against those four clubs, I bet all of you would have signed for it.

    We’re playing a Baltimore this week that will hardly be our toughest opponent this year. The Giants should beat them. The Ravens are struggling even more than the Giants are. At least the Giants have had some dominant performances over the past few weeks. Baltimore has had none, and they just got killed at HOME.

    The Giants are going to the playoffs.

    •  Levito says:

      While I generally agree about the Ravens, they have actually had a few dominant performances. One was all the way back in week one when they ripped up the Bengals. And more recently, they obliterated the Raiders. Sure, it’s a bad team, but it was dominant nonetheless.

      But the Ravens are a team which is disintegrating and has suffered injuries at more key positions than the Giants. Flacco is not a great QB, and the defense is pathetic. As long as the Giants haven’t already quit, and don’t quit if something goes wrong early on Sunday, there’s no reason the Giants shouldn’t win this game soundly.

      •  James Stoll says:

        But that’s part of the problem and what I pointed out above: this year the giants are frontrunners and weak ones at that. If they don’t jump out early they get swept away. Dallas1, Cincy, Atlanta–all games where they fell behind by 2 scores and that was that. The Giant offense, especially the O-Line has the capability of turning in some of the worst performances of any team in the league week to week. The last 2 weeks, Eli has started each game with early picks resulting in TDs going the other way. Against NO we had the once in a lifetime David Wilson show to bail the offense out. Against Atlanta, since Wilson only gets one lifetime, we did not, and a very very very pedestrian defense made us look inept.
        Yeah the Ravens are in free-fall just like us, but in this race to the bottom, we are playing in their house and they are getting Lewis back, who if nothing else will have them in a frenzy.
        Is Flacco a yeoman QB? I think so.
        Are their WRs very unimpressive? Yes
        But will Ray Rice run over through and away from us? Most likely.
        Unless we discover a run defense the Ravens could own the time of possession 40/20 and thus while the final score might read 15-3, it will feel like 30-0.
        The only way for the Giants to combat is score 7 on their opening drive, get a turnover immediately thereafter which turns into points, and then force Flacco to beat them.
        But if Baltimore comes out and scores first, especially with a 10+ play, grind it out, run it down our throats drive, this team will roll over like the whipped dogs they often are.

    •  James Stoll says:

      It’s not just Atlanta. It’s Cincy, its Washington, it’s Dallas 2x, it’s Pittsburgh. The Giants have been bad far more than they’ve been good this season. That said, they have had several terrific performances. Maybe they’ll pull another one out. But seeing is believing and the last sight was pretty ugly

  6.  rlhjr says:

    Mr. Mira will never sweep clean the Giant coaching staff. He is still counting his money form 2007 and 2011. More to the point, as much as some love or hate it, this coaching staff has developed continuity. That is something that many NFL teams will never see.

    What might happen is an epiphany for Mr. Mira. He has to get feed up with uneven performances and the “mail it in” jobs like Sunday. In other words the team has to embarrass Mr. Mira in order for heads to roll. And even if that happens, he would not snatch the rug out from under Coughlin.
    Why should he?

    Can anyone here on this site say that Tom Coughlin’s leadership style is tolerant of or conducive to the type of performance that was seen on Sunday? I didn’t think so.

    Coughlin stands for and more often than not does the right thing. In reality it must be his assistants and his main coordinators who propose doing things even slightly out of the box. And they must bring along with their suggestion a very good case for straying out of the box. I am sure he has considered and in some cases OK’d suggestions of his assistants and coordinators. To his credit, Tom Coughlin will not be fired due to something someone on his staff did.
    He will take the blame if something goes wrong. Love him or hate him he’s his own man.

    I’ve said many times before and will say again, neither Jerry Reese or Mark Ross would know an outstanding three down linebacker they rode to work with one every day. Sorry to those of you whose lips and jaws conform to the exact dimensions of either Mr. Reese’s or Mr. Ross’s genitalia. But this fact has been proven over a period of time.

    In addition, they do not seem to put much stock in gathering superior offensive linemen. But again, those things are not going to force a turnover in the Giants coaching hierarchy. And the proof is in the 2007/2011 pudding.

    Honestly, I really think the team needs dynamic leaders on the field on both sides of the ball. DL/LB OG/C would be enough to provide the push this crew really needs sometimes. The coaches can only do so much. They need good players with enough “cred” to speak up on the field during games.
    The Giants need players who lead with words and by dynamic example. Players who make other players better. Judging by the “Eric S” post, JPP decrements that count of required players by one.

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